This area will feature the FASTEST FIVE SATURN CARS in their respective categories. Think your car is fast enough to be featured in the Fastest V? Send your information and mods to poc301 to have your car listed here.

Street Class
1) UnderdogSDA 13.3 (Nitrous)
2) S.Bretz 13.35 (Turbo)
3) Poc301 13.50 (Nitrous)
4) BoostedSL2 13.56 (Turbo)
5) Yardbird 13.59 (Nitrous)

Unlimited Class
1) Nefarious 12.26 (Nitrous)
2) LowSC2 12.4 (Nitrous)
3) 92saturnSS 13.33 (Nitrous)

DOHC
1) UnderdogSDA 14.21
2) Green Monstah 14.5
3) DonBaker 14.71
4) Applebit 14.8
5)SaturnMotorsportsOfCary14.84

SOHC
1) ProjectPhase1 16.61
2) Sh1FT 16.90
3) Wraith 16.98
4) jhsl1 17.2
5) SL_Sled 17.96

Ion
1) JGreen 15.48
2) schzzo97sc2 15.60
3) Chris 15.79
4) rascon11 16.06
5) IonJon 16.27

Updated 1/05

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Tuning Your Turbo Saturn - Part 3

by: Qksl2

I'm not going to go into how exactly to set your timing, or what to set it at.Why? Because that is for you to figure out, for your car. I have a good idea of what a timing map for your car should probably look like. But refer to Psychological Tewning for a discussion on why, exactly, I'm not going to tell you. All I can say is to start with the boost low, and do everything only one step at a time. You'll learn, but only by experience. Think of each response you make in a rational sense: by making only one change at a time and reviewing what that change resulted in, you'll in no time have a good map setup.

On the dyno. Set up your timing map conservatively, at first. Start at low boost, and get your raw fuel work done. Pay careful attention to spool up and peak torque, and also make sure to make runs in third and fourth gear. Why? Make sure that the changes in load by different gear ratios and the time over load differences don't' exceed your fuel delivery and heat things up. You'll see this by high EGT's at the top of a long pull. This is a situation where A/F might be just fine, and you won't even see knock, but your EGT's will be high and you can absolutely blow your motor. "But my a/f was fine and there was no knock!??" I can hear it now…

If your knock resistance threshold is high enough, there won't be any detectible knock, but the high cylinder pressures and combustion temperatures held over a long period of time can and will destroy your motor. Got it? Typically this is a condition you will face using race gas, and that is why race gas is dangerous. A sense of false security lol asscroft lol is really the problem. This is the most likely cause of failure for DSM's, as they have a great closed loop knock/timing circuit, but the motor cannot save itself from high EGT's.

Our cars seem to respond very well to a good bit of timing under boost. This has been recently illustrated by Chris (tebriel) who just put down 311whp at 17psi on a fifty trim turbo with no timing control whatsoever. Is timing control important? Very. How did he do it? Good fuel tuning. Was it safe? Well, we really don't' know. It seemed to work and still is, but without ignition tuning, a bad tank of gas or changed airflow by different parts could mean the end of that motor in a short time. Despite this, running 25 degrees of maximum timing is what held his motor together. EGT's remained low due to the strong timing. I've tuned cars before on the dyno where we'd pick up 30 plus lb/ft of torque by just a single degree of timing. What does this mean? It means drop the boost and add another degree, see what that does. Keep adding timing and watch your EGT's drop. When they level off, you've gone far enough. However, as you're adding timing, you need to watch knock very closely. See above as to why.

I'VE GOT A GAS PROBLEM, DOC


Fuel. Your narrowband is useless. A tenth of a volt can mean a full point in a/f change, and that is not something you want to risk your motor on. Under boost, your target air fuel ratio is 11.4 to 11.6. Again, this is pretty general, and your results may vary, but this is considered "safe" under most conditions. If you are getting knock, resist the urge to just dump more fuel, assuming you're a/f ratio is already within this range, and try to adjust timing first. Generally speaking, you are going to want your enrichments set to where you're a/f first dives down to a 11.0 or so for a period of .25 to .5 of a second. That will quell any initial tip in knock and clear the fuel line. Once your initial enrichments time out, you'll want to have you're a/f around 12.0 to 12.5 until boost builds. As boost builds, you want to offset your fuel table. This means you initialize your fuel table to dump fuel before you actually make the boost. Example: If you want the a/f to dive as boost crosses 10psi, which comes on at 3800, go to the 10psi at 3600 table and make your change there. You're a/f ratio as you approach peak torque is most important, after that it can flatten out. I typically like to dump fuel right before rev limit as well… but that is just my style. It makes a zero advance rev limiter a bit easier on the motor.

The sound and feel of a rich or lean condition is remarkably similar, yet different. Bucking under partial throttle is usually lean, but not always. Just with boosted saturns it is usually due to leanness. Low RPM bucking on a stand a lone is due to the enrichments working well for higher RPM but not compensating for the poor VE values at low RPM, and attempting to add the same amount of extra fuel despite that. A rich misfire will sound soft, and muted. It is almost hollow and low in tone, as one cylinder or two will misfire at a time. As you rev the motor, it will sound like a WRX, which is, essentially, like two two cylinders. The other time a Saturn sounds like WRX is when it has a blown motor. Don't ask me how I know. A lean condition will sound like a hard crack and snap as you attempt to rev it. You will also likely hear the turbo try to spool… good but not. You'll want to add more
TPS enrichment if you hear this.

FINAL WERDS

Basically, this whole tuning thing is a game. You change fuel, EGT's go up. You add timing, EGT's drop but knock goes up. You add fuel to compensate and knock goes away but power goes down. You bump boost, things get better, but now you are running a lot of pressure. You drop boost and keep your fuel the same, kinda rich. Bump timing, and holy Mexican I just picked up 38 lb/ft of torque with no knock!

All I'm saying is that there are so many variables. Some tuners call it the "Best Mean Torque". That is; the combination of enrichment by fuel and timing that produces maximum power with equal "compromising" from both sides. It's not an easy balance to find, and you won't necessarily know when you've found it. At that, its kinda like trying to hit a moving target lol dinner sweet and sour dog lol. With the turbo 4cyl world, you'll want to lean towards RBT, which means Rich Best Torque. That is, you'll sacrifice some advance and leanness to run a safer condition. Again, it's a balance, and there is no "right" answer to this. Under partial throttle, you'll want to lean (pun) more towards LBT, or lean best torque. Under low Map values, you can run more timing and less fuel while being ok, due to
lower dynamic pressures.


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Different Racing

Jeff and his team Different Racing have big plans on breaking into some really low quarter mile times this year. Last year he posted a 12.40 on a pretty healthy nitrous shot. This year he has a new turbo setup and some serious determination. Visit his website for the latest news and information. I expect we'll be seeing some low 12's from him by the end of the year.